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I am sorry you are leaving, Kian Tee.  I have valued your contributions, and learned from them, and have missed and will miss you.  Please do continue when you can do so.

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PS  I also find it very useful to do the physical "warming up" before I sit down to practice or even for the physical forms.  Comes with being a very kinesthetic learner, I think.  Thanks for sharing and putting this concept into words!  Dawn
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April 22, 2008

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    ]dawn:
    I am sorry you are leaving, Kian Tee.  I have valued your contributions, and learned from them, and have missed and will miss you.  Please do continue when you can do so.  Dawn



Thanks for your kind words, Dawn. I will continue to share my experiences and thoughts on this forum as long as I can access it. But I will not be joining the class as I have to spend time with my family. Being with TAO means being able to embrace not only my own spiritual pursuit but also being able to accept and play my role as a husband and father to my wife and children. Therefore I have to make time specially on week ends to be with them since I have spend on average two hours a day on qi gong.

Hun yuan ling tong!
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yes, i do understand and respect  and thank you for your decision, Kian Tee.  You will reap the benefits of this joy/responsibility/loyalty to your family.  My kids are grown up and have their own lives, so it is a bit easier for me in some ways.  I'll look forward to your sharing.  HYLT!  Dawn
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Kian,

Am glad you will still be with us in cyber space!

HYLT
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Kian,
I am new to this forum and like you, have a family and spend lots of time on Qigong. I have not time to read your entries, but will do so, and encourage you like others to continue with this aspect of the forum.

In my classes, I start with ZBE, then before LCUPCD 3 movements from BMM, Crane's Neck, #6, bend spine to open gov channel.
These are similar to the Tai chi warm-up exercises I practiced & taught before. I agree they certainly help quiet the
monkey mind.

Please stay connected with us
HYLT,
Fay
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May 3, 2008

STAYING CENTERED DURING PRACTICE

I was reading a book on Tai Chi and came across the meaning of "Yi Shou Dantian" as mind being focussed on our lower dantian or lower energy center. The author went on to say that every movement starts with the dantian and in this way our spirit will manifest in all movements. I realized that this is what I need to stay focussed within during my practice and tried it out during this morning's session of ZBE. From the start: "Duan sheng cheng zuo..." I placed my "Yi" in my lower dantian and at the directive of "bai hui shang ling... sia ke nei shou..." instead of using my neck muscle I used my mind to think qi from dantian rising to lift up my bai hui... Thus the movement has originated from dantian. The effect was surprising.... an almost effortless movement of bai hui being lifted and chin following inward to my chest.. spine pleasantly stretched...

During establishment of qi field: "Siang qi kong... (think space)" A momentary affirmation of yi on dantian and then gently shifting yi towards "chi kong" produces a sensation of outward expansion which is being controlled from dantian acting as the center.

During ZBE1 I felt a relaxation in my abdomen and lower never felt before. Breating in I can feel qi being drawn seamlessly into dantian with concurrent relaxation of the lower back and lumber bones to accomodate the qi. Towards the end of the breathe in cycle I felt the need to intervene with a slight muscular action to change the cycle to breathing out. This muscular action caused a momentary loss of connectedness with dantian. Not perfect yet as I know the changeover should be a seamless transformation from in to out. More work needs to be done here.

The overall effect of employing "yi shou dantian" is a continual feeling of connectedness with dantian at all times... Whilst employing this mode of practice I am aware of my thoughts moving back to a week ago when I was at my son's school science fair. At the fair I had the opportunity for the first time in my life to peer into space through a telescope to look at the planet Saturn. It surprised me how beautiful Saturn looked in "real life" as opposed to seeing it in pictures and in photographs in the internet. I could not stay look at it too long as there was a long queue behind me. I felt that I need to look at her again and re-joined the queue right at the back for another opportunity. When my turn came again I am more prepared for it... the same sense of awe struck me at how beautiful the planet can be and this time I noticed that it is gliding across space from one side of the scope towards the centre... wow! I had to stop again as it would not be fair to the others waiting in the queue.

While this thought was re-playing itself in my sub-conscious, it dawned on me that it is TAO that is moving Saturn and all the planets and stars in the entire universe! TAO is the center of this motion... it is a point about which everything revolves around and yet it is not static for it is at the same time the origin of all movements of the planets and stars. A sudden inspiration strikes me:

WHEN WE DO OUR GONG WITH MIND FULLY FOCUSED ON DANTIAN AND ALLOW ALL MOVEMENTS TO ORIGINATE FROM DANTIAN...


WE ARE EMULATING OR IN TOUCH WITH TAO!


Hun yuan ling tong!
Kian Tee
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Dear Kian Tee,

nice to hear again some interesting lines from you.

The idea of the lower dantian is generally indeed that this vessel is responsible for the physical and body side of exercises supplying if necessary energy from there. So connectedness with this center during physical movements is surely helpful and I will consider it more. An experession of spirit or Yi this way? Yes and no as Yi is "before" energy and guides it at best if you are in a concentrated state allowing this. But this is more a question of the concentration in the higher centers and especially the eyes and inner eye.

But as experience decides I will consider your experience and hint. Normally such approach is not possible as it already lacks the connection to the earth and lower limbs alleviating such an approach with a lower dantien routed in the earth also. We are to much in our heads and being in the heart or hun yuan place is a similar problem.

The relaxation in the lower dantien by ZBE is for me a usual experience
and not so liked in the outcome that also the knees get weak. This is surely helpful for long cross-legged sessions but not so helpful for bodily exercises. But I did not much connect it yet with them.

Therefore also a usual point of remembrance to do it and I thank you very much for sharing your experience.

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May 4, 2008
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    An experession of spirit or Yi this way? Yes and no as Yi is "before" energy and guides it at best if you are in a concentrated state allowing this.


Hi Axel,
Agree. Yi is before energy. Dantian is energy rervoir. Yi shou dantian: Focus mind in dantian. With yi in dantian the mind (spirit) will be (expressed) in the movement if we know how to originate movement from dantian instead of originating it from our muscles.

Change subject.
Lecture notes: May 3, 2008
I have read and re-read the lecture notes a few times and I am still contemplating what I have read, especially the concept of void within and outside the body... being the same and therefore no inside or outside or in other words.... NO MORE DUALITY...

It was further mentioned in the lecture notes that "the fine qi of TAO can only be experienced if the mysterious apertures are opened up". I should think the mysterious apertures here relates to the mysterious pass which (in turn) relates to a state of consciousness wherein one enters the realm of non-being.

We are moving closer to TAO... Could it be that level 4 can only be experienced by an enlightened master? I would appreciate it very much if Jane could clarify on this.

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here are many mysterious passes in the body, as long as one of them is opened up, the practitioner will be able to experience what is described in Level 4, you don't have to be a enlightened master, but a enlightened master can practice Level 4 for sure because enlightenment means to open up the mysterious pass aperture in the brain.
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